I directed a piece in a short cabaret this last week. After the show there was a talk-back. One of the pieces I was really not a fan of –
and I had pretty specific reasons for not liking it, none of which matter for
the sake of this blog. Here’s what does. During the talk-back, the artist asked a
question regarding the piece. I sat and
listened to at least 5 people, all people who knew the artist, comment on the
piece in relation to what kind of prep work the artist had done for the
piece. Ie, everyone who commented came
from a place of having some idea what the piece was supposed to be before it
started. And everyone had nothing but good things to say about the piece. No one else spoke.
After a few more people said nice things about the piece, I
lost it. I finally raised my hand and
proceed to do my best Simon Cowell impersonation. I asked pointed questions about the piece –
questions the artist had no answers for, and I told the artist why I was asking
– ie, in polite terms, what I thought was wrong with the piece. Then the talk-back went on.
After the talk-back, I was stopped by 3 different people in
the 7 minutes it took me to get my stuff together to leave to tell me “Thank
you for saying something in there. I
hated that piece” or “Thanks, I agree there were some real problems in that
piece.” Or… “Thanks for that, I think
you voiced what a lot of us were feeling.” I expect this behavior from a class
of scared freshman, I do not expect it from a room of theatre
professionals. And yet... It seems that every time I have been to a talk back in the last far too long... I've had the same experience.
And that’s what I want to talk about. If I voiced what so many people were saying,
then why did no one else say it? When
did theatre develop the idea that we had to be nice or agree to make art. What has happened to the idea of constrictive
critism? Most importantly, when did being supportive suddenly become “only talk
about the good stuff”?
When I was in undergrad, I had a similar experience to the
talk back. I was taking an acting class
from a women who everyone thought was the scariest woman in the whole world
(Carolyn, if you’re reading this – you were an amazing teacher for me! And also, a little scary to the freshman :p ) She directed Bus Stop while I was in her class. We were all required to see it, and in the class, after it closed, we were all supposed to have a conversation about it. Here’s the thing – I hated it. Partially because I hate the show, but also,
I felt I had some legitimate “I didn’t like this thing” reasons. Class starts, and she sits in front of us
with her enormous cup of coffee, and says – "Well, what did you think?" Immediately, everyone in the class starts
telling her how wonderful the show was and what a great job she did. I sat there in horror thinking – did we see
the same show? Finally, I raised my hand
and said “I’m sorry, I hated it”.
Silence. People cringed and
physically moved away from me. She set
her coffee mug on the ground, very loudly.
“Really? Tell me” She says. With a dry mouth and a racing heart, I
did. I told her all of it. From the fact I didn’t like the script to the
parts of the show I thought were weird, and the parts I thought were good. I must have talked for like 15 minutes. When I was done, I stopped. She picked up her cup, and took a sip of
coffee and said “Thank you. This, I love.
Thank you for telling me what you really thought, for having that
courage. Now that she’s broken the ice,
anyone else wanna tell me what they thought?”
(Ok, she actually addressed some of the points I had made, and we had a dialogue
on why I thought what I did etc. Then she said Now that she’s etc… but it was
way more dramatic for a blog without all that other stuff). Sure enough, the rest of the class also had
things they hadn’t loved, and we had a real class dialogue on what the show had
been and how we felt about it. After
that, the class never hesitated to tell what they really thought about things.
Always respectfully.
Anyway, my point is this, that experience taught me and my classmates some very good things. First off, scary teachers aren’t really so scary.. most of the time :p . Also, speak up, you never know who else has your opinion. Respectful doesn’t mean that you have to like everything. Respect can also mean that you like an artist enough to tell them their work needs work – and then help guide them to the parts that need it.
If we want better art, we, all the artists, need to get
better at telling each other how to do it.
Because, here’s the thing, we all know this, this is a tough
business. It sucks and it’s hard and
people don’t understand what it is or why we do it or even what we do. But you know what they do know – what they
like, what they think is good. And that
means something. It is not enough to
have a closed circuit and only be doing a good job to the group that knows
“what your trying to do”. If I, the
audience, doesn’t understand what your trying to do, then, I think, you have
failed at part of your art. And if you
ask me my opinion, then, as an artist, I need to tell you where you have failed
and how you might fix it, or questions that you might consider to make your
work better or stronger. Ego stroking
doesn’t make good art. Ego stroking
doesn’t even make good art better. It
makes crap crappier and good art acceptable but not better. Lanford used to say: "Everything is either genius or crap. If it’s crap, keep
working till it’s genius." And ego
stroking doesn’t give you a place to work from or towards. And to be honest, I am not much interested in
working with artists who don’t get this.
If you can’t tell me what’s wrong, or take from me what I think is wrong
– then I don’t want to work with you, because how on earth can we get better?
I also think we, as an artistic community, need to work on
developing the eyes to see, the vocabulary to talk, and the thick skin/ears to
hear. People not liking your work isn’t
a fault against you, it’s places you can do better. No one is perfect, nor is any art. I want my art to be the best it can be, so if
I ask your opinion then TELL ME. Tell me
all of it, bluntly and honestly and with reasons – this way I know how to get
better. I mean, I can choose not to
listen, I can choose to out vote you, as it were, I mean, it is my art and I
can do what I want. But if you aren’t
even telling me, then how do I know to make the choice?
Also, listen to who is talking. There are many theatre groups I know who
listen to their internal voices before listening to the external. Why?
Why is one more important than the other? I think that the external should be more important. That note from a theatre professional who is
not part of your company or school – maybe listen closely to that, because that
note is how you are seen outside your tight circle. Want to be marketable? Listen to that note. (I can’t even tell you how much bad theatre
I’ve seen that the company thought was good because they only listen to the
internal criticism. Everyone outside the
bubble all said – crap, here’s why. But
no one listened, because the criticism came from outside the bubble, if they
even bothered to ask someone outside the bubble in the first place.)
Overall, the take away for me is this: Polite agreement doesn’t foster growth, if
anything, it stifles it. Please note, I
am not telling you to be rude, but I am telling you to give true and thoughtful
critiques of each other. Be honest. Talk about what you like, what you don’t
like, what you hate, and where you think things can be better. Do these things because the world needs us,
and we need to be at the top of our game.
"Also, listen to who is talking." In my view, this is the most important sentence in the essay, for three reasons: (1) Often, it is the unbiased, dispassionate onlooker who gives the most honest response. (2) A skilled, vested teacher (director, critic) can give an appraisal worth consideration. (3) In any industry, it's imperative to maintain good personal, diplomatic relations no matter the artistic differences. Failing these, most of what's said in talk-back fora boils down to the "I would have done it differently" form of critique, and that is of extremely limited value.
ReplyDeleteI completely agree. I think that is also all related to creating a vocabulary. Because there is a HUGE difference in "I would have done it differently" and "this part of the story wasn't told" or whatever the fault is. And we, as a community, need to learn the difference and be able to talk about in order to make critique constructive. :)
DeleteI love this post. It's very interesting to see this aspect of the theatre community. Granted, I have absolutely nothing to do with theatre so I have no background information.
ReplyDeleteLooking forward to future posts!
Heh. I think, sadly, it's not just theatre that's doing this. The upside is that in some fields there is a definite wrong. "No, you cannot insert the needle that way" "No you cannot pack breakable things like that" And I feel like, maybe falsely, those places have a better time handling this idea. Those places where there is lots of grey area though...
DeleteYes I agree. I've worked in those "definite wrong" fields and you'd be surprised how much gets missed...In that instance though it was a failure of management to, you know, actually manage. When a manager throws untrained or incompletely trained people out into the field, there's some responsibility issues there that unfortunately get passed along to absolutely whoever possible.
DeleteThat may not have made much sense. You should have stopped at the "yes I agree" portion of this post.